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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[gb2312]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi] PW[pku01]PB[xyh1969]WR[2d]BR[4d]DT[2005-08-07]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]RE[B+Resign] ;B[pd]CR[pd]BL[2697.068]C[pku01 [2d\]: hi xyh1969 [4d\]: hi ] ;W[dc]CR[dc]WL[2694.742] ;B[pp]CR[pp]BL[2658.454] ;W[eq]CR[eq]WL[2670.951] ;B[de]CR[de]BL[2652.848] ;W[cg]CR[cg]WL[2647.483] ;B[be]CR[be]BL[2622.376] ;W[fd]CR[fd]WL[2619.319] ;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[2593.088]C[dago [14k\]: d11 ] ;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[2574.274]C[pku01 [2d\]: i thought you just play d12 xyh1969 [4d\]: niuer, how to play after k17? pku01 [2d\]: :) ] ;B[ci]CR[ci]BL[2566.932]C[dago [14k\]: nice joseki ] ;W[dh]CR[dh]WL[2525.452] ;B[di]CR[di]BL[2547.168]C[pku01 [2d\]: i didnt play well here ] ;W[eh]CR[eh]WL[2522.372] ;B[ch]CR[ch]BL[2543.377] ;W[df]CR[df]WL[2457.203] ;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[2538.738]C[shin04 [4k\]: joseki? dago [14k\]: not so nice shape ] ;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[2405.968]C[dago [14k\]: it was a joseki up to move 11 ] ;B[fe]CR[fe]BL[2498.243] ;W[ge]CR[ge]WL[2375.467] ;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[2496.328] ;W[gf]CR[gf]WL[2314.348]C[dago [14k\]: c5? ] ;B[cp]CR[cp]BL[2408.692]C[dago [14k\]: or 4 :) ] ;W[do]CR[do]WL[2277.956]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: c4 maybe not good dago [14k\]: my joseki dictionary says b played the right move there ] ;B[co]CR[co]BL[2388.822]C[pku01 [2d\]: oh, thx ] ;W[dn]CR[dn]WL[2261.3] ;B[cm]CR[cm]BL[2386.498]C[dago [14k\]: k3 :) ] ;W[kq]CR[kq]WL[2221.039]C[shin04 [4k\]: w in bad shape dago [14k\]: overplay shin04 [4k\]: two corner r bigger than the sides dago [14k\]: this was standard joseki again, except l3 xyh1969 [4d\]: after L3, didn't know how to play again ] ;B[mq]CR[mq]BL[2322.417]C[shin04 [4k\]: l3 also joseki..... ] ;W[ko]CR[ko]WL[2188.279]C[dago [14k\]: ok dago [14k\]: looks good fom here dago [14k\]: w will san san at r3 maybe? dago [14k\]: later? shin04 [4k\]: yes ] ;B[iq]CR[iq]BL[2195.865]C[shin04 [4k\]: free game so the players can see ur comments shin04 [4k\]: pls dun mention moves dago [14k\]: omg im sorry, i did not know! dago [14k\]: vry very sorry shin04 [4k\]: its ok pku01 [2d\]: is this overplay? xyh1969 [4d\]: j3 too strong ] ;W[io]CR[io]WL[2068.433]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: guess so ] ;B[fq]CR[fq]BL[2172.617]C[dago [14k\]: uhm... i just asked an admin, just to be sure, he said players can only read comments in teaching and demo games :) ] ;W[er]CR[er]WL[1933.492]C[dago [14k\]: so kibbitzzzzz awaaaaaay ] ;B[ep]CR[ep]BL[2165.93] ;W[dp]CR[dp]WL[1930.15] ;B[go]CR[go]BL[2161.622]C[shin04 [4k\]: oh it must be an old rule dago [14k\]: i dont know, i did it once during a teaching game (i didnt know then about the teachng game) dago [14k\]: they got a bit angry with me :) dago [14k\]: but i try to be a humble guest xyh1969 [4d\]: G5 was a misclick, wanted to play at f5 pku01 [2d\]: i should play d7 now xyh1969 [4d\]: but maybe g5 better, who knows pku01 [2d\]: oh, really ] ;W[gn]CR[gn]WL[1839.856] ;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[2132.649]C[dago [14k\]: black is strong ] ;W[dm]CR[dm]WL[1797.833]C[shin04 [4k\]: b is 4d lol xyh1969 [4d\]: how to play ? xyh1969 [4d\]: instead of c3 ? pku01 [2d\]: dont feel good about c8? xyh1969 [4d\]: you have control now xyh1969 [4d\]: en, maybe just c8 xyh1969 [4d\]: what if you play g7? pku01 [2d\]: h5 and then f2? ] (;B[cq]CR[cq]BL[2074.821]C[dago [14k\]: yes, well i meant in comparison with w, but i must admit, every move the last one pld looks stronger shin04 [4k\]: d3 dago [14k\]: how long have u been playing for? ] ;W[fp]CR[fp]WL[1677.533] ;B[eo]CR[eo]BL[2070.704] ;W[gp]CR[gp]WL[1675.803]C[shin04 [4k\]: 3 years shin04 [4k\]: im actually 2d dago [14k\]: really? shin04 [4k\]: i have 2d acc dago [14k\]: acc? shin04 [4k\]: account dago [14k\]: ah ok shin04 [4k\]: this is my sandbagger acc ] ;B[fo]CR[fo]BL[2009.396]C[dago [14k\]: double account hey :D dago [14k\]: hahaha shin04 [4k\]: no i gt more than 6 acc shin04 [4k\]: this is my lowesrt dago [14k\]: well, i have 2 accounts dago [14k\]: both 14k dago [14k\]: with one i experiment more than the other shin04 [4k\]: just play more often n can increase ur rank fast dago [14k\]: but funny enough their even now :D shin04 [4k\]: w's group is getting morte difficult to manage shin04 [4k\]: but b also have some weakness pku01 [2d\]: i think c3 is too greedy xyh1969 [4d\]: no good result for black here, i guess ] ;W[hp]CR[hp]WL[1509.319]C[dago [14k\]: curious about b's answer shin04 [4k\]: seems like b overplay here dago [14k\]: g7 seems nescesary dago [14k\]: and w d3 shin04 [4k\]: b mess up big time dago [14k\]: feel free to correct me when im wrong :) dago [14k\]: it helps ;) niuer [?\]: is this a tourney game? dago [14k\]: i dont know shin04 [4k\]: it looks dead to me f5 group shin04 [4k\]: too heavy shin04 [4k\]: b gains nothing ] ;B[dq]CR[dq]BL[1789.706]C[shin04 [4k\]: lol expected move ] (;W[fr]CR[fr]WL[1473.392]C[shin04 [4k\]: but still bad as there is weakness at c6 ] ;B[cl]CR[cl]BL[1718.542]C[dago [14k\]: b agreed :) shin04 [4k\]: b goes for sente shin04 [4k\]: f7 ] ;W[fm]CR[fm]WL[1413.51]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: guess i shouldn't run this group pku01 [2d\]: i think you should run pku01 [2d\]: since i have weak stone as well xyh1969 [4d\]: but i can run it later xyh1969 [4d\]: not now, i guess ] (;B[hn]CR[hn]BL[1683] ;W[gm]CR[gm]WL[1410.281] ;B[ho]CR[ho]BL[1679.719]C[dago [14k\]: this is still quite interesting for black, no? shin04 [4k\]: yes j4 cut dangerous shin04 [4k\]: e7 also dago [14k\]: close combat :) shin04 [4k\]: j4 connect seems the only choice pku01 [2d\]: i think i should play f2 at g3 pku01 [2d\]: earlier ] (;W[il]CR[il]WL[1195.055] ;B[ip]CR[ip]BL[1609.779] ;W[hr]CR[hr]WL[1189.052] ;B[jo]CR[jo]BL[1601.206] ;W[in]CR[in]WL[1179.611] ;B[im]CR[im]BL[1598.814]C[pku01 [2d\]: wait a min ] ;W[jn]CR[jn]WL[1178.401] ;B[jm]CR[jm]BL[1597.312]C[pku01 [2d\]: maybe i have better move here ] ;W[kn]CR[kn]WL[1174.039]C[pku01 [2d\]: wasted a lot of time here:) xyh1969 [4d\]: hehe xyh1969 [4d\]: timer helped me to win xyh1969 [4d\]: you can try ] ;B[hm]CR[hm]BL[1595.473]C[dago [14k\]: hehehe dago [14k\]: white does not look very happy dago [14k\]: he might start thnkin about some mojo after all his stones are safe :P dago [14k\]: and at some point f12 might become ineresting, no? dago [14k\]: for b that is toms [21k\]: why not E7 ? dago [14k\]: too small :P toms [21k\]: ok thx :) dago [14k\]: hey, that was a joke toms [21k\]: oh toms [21k\]: lol toms [21k\]: so E7 is a good move or not? dago [14k\]: im no expert, im only 14k toms [21k\]: yes but i'm only 21k ^^ ] ;W[gk]CR[gk]WL[893.172]C[dago [14k\]: now e7 doesnt do a thing (?) pku01 [2d\]: sorry, too slow toms [21k\]: no now finished :) xyh1969 [4d\]: no problem :) pku01 [2d\]: now we can see j8 is waste pku01 [2d\]: waste a hand ] ;B[km]CR[km]BL[1538.016]C[dago [14k\]: G12? ] ;W[mo]CR[mo]WL[826.849] ;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[1516.947]C[pku01 [2d\]: i think q 10 better ] (;W[ei]CR[ei]WL[772.468]C[pku01 [2d\]: is this too small? xyh1969 [4d\]: really need e11? pku01 [2d\]: if you play here, hard for me to continue dago [14k\]: i thought g12 here pku01 [2d\]: yeah, that is better pku01 [2d\]: this is too heavy! pku01 [2d\]: no effect to your stones actually ] (;B[lc]CR[lc]BL[1422.124]C[dago [14k\]: ah yes ] ;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[688.704]C[dago [14k\]: is a 14k giving advice to an 2d... dago [14k\]: :D xyh1969 [4d\]: this 14k very strong dago [14k\]: lol pku01 [2d\]: you have a suggestion? pku01 [2d\]: go ahead xyh1969 [4d\]: i think e11 slow, should play o17 or r10 xyh1969 [4d\]: do you think m17 at q10 better? pku01 [2d\]: yeah ] ;B[nd]CR[nd]BL[1384.998]C[guangzhu: who is black? ] ;W[od]CR[od]WL[593.552]C[dago [14k\]: black is black ] ;B[oe]CR[oe]BL[1364.263] ;W[oc]CR[oc]WL[590.574] ;B[md]CR[md]BL[1362.905]C[dago [14k\]: i think ] ;W[pc]CR[pc]WL[576.448] ;B[qd]CR[qd]BL[1356.621]C[pku01 [2d\]: e11 is problematic ] ;W[qc]CR[qc]WL[574.484] ;B[rc]CR[rc]BL[1355.207] ;W[rb]CR[rb]WL[571.81] ;B[rd]CR[rd]BL[1353.311]C[dago [14k\]: my god its the chinese wall! ] (;W[sb]CR[sb]WL[531.574]C[dago [14k\]: q10? dago [14k\]: q10 is big ] ;B[nf]CR[nf]BL[1292.617] ;W[dg]CR[dg]WL[523.267]C[dago [14k\]: b13 ] ;B[bg]CR[bg]BL[1278.84] ;W[cd]CR[cd]WL[521.57] ;B[ce]CR[ce]BL[1275.046]C[dago [14k\]: w invade pku01 [2d\]: this what i was thinking when i play e11, but actually, it is small:) ] ;W[qj]CR[qj]WL[481.609] ;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[1252.578] ;W[qn]CR[qn]WL[449.103]C[dago [14k\]: r6 dago [14k\]: :) ] ;B[pn]CR[pn]BL[1184.57] ;W[pm]CR[pm]WL[435.129] ;B[on]CR[on]BL[1178.833]C[dago [14k\]: adventurous ] ;W[qo]CR[qo]WL[425.208] ;B[qp]CR[qp]BL[1173.879] ;W[om]CR[om]WL[415.685]C[dago [14k\]: ah, but also connecting e4 ] ;B[hl]CR[hl]BL[1155.68] ;W[dk]CR[dk]WL[324.507] ;B[ij]CR[ij]BL[1139.728]C[dago [14k\]: b making the best of both walls? ] ;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[300]C[dago [14k\]: o9? dago [14k\]: p11? dago [14k\]: k15? ] ;B[np]CR[np]BL[1096.287]C[dago [14k\]: :D dago [14k\]: securing 20 points! dago [14k\]: thats pretty big! ] (;W[lr]CR[lr]WL[300]C[dago [14k\]: w takes sente ] (;B[ql]CR[ql]BL[1061.683]C[dago [14k\]: b overrules dago [14k\]: :P ] ;W[qm]CR[qm]WL[300]C[dago [14k\]: w is in deep now dago [14k\]: q9? xyh1969 [4d\]: b need a sente then go h17 ] (;B[pk]CR[pk]BL[1029.048] ;W[pj]CR[pj]WL[300]C[dago [14k\]: oh dear ] ;B[ok]CR[ok]BL[1021.173]C[dago [14k\]: o9 dago [14k\]: o_O dago [14k\]: oh white what u gonna do! dago [14k\]: s8? ] ;W[qk]CR[qk]WL[240] ;B[hc]CR[hc]BL[1014.923]C[dago [14k\]: h16? dago [14k\]: or j16? pku01 [2d\]: now, comes this killing move:) ] (;W[gd]CR[gd]WL[180] ;B[id]CR[id]BL[1007.759]C[dago [14k\]: b preparing for a big centre pku01 [2d\]: after this i have no much chance xyh1969 [4d\]: how about g16 at g17? pku01 [2d\]: g16 is losing hand guangzhu: J16 instead of G16? pku01 [2d\]: how do you day bai zhao in english? ] ;W[jd]CR[jd]WL[180] ;B[ie]CR[ie]BL[998.575] ;W[je]CR[je]WL[180] ;B[if]CR[if]BL[995.773] ;W[jf]CR[jf]WL[180] ;B[ig]CR[ig]BL[971.535] ;W[jg]CR[jg]WL[180] ;B[ih]CR[ih]BL[959.727]C[dago [14k\]: w resign ] ;W[mg]CR[mg]WL[120] ;B[lf]CR[lf]BL[948.116] ;W[lg]CR[lg]WL[120] ;B[kh]CR[kh]BL[945.246] ;W[jh]CR[jh]WL[120] ;B[ji]CR[ji]BL[938.843] ;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[120] ;B[ni]CR[ni]BL[918.213] ;W[ki]CR[ki]WL[120] ;B[li]CR[li]BL[914.413] ;W[kj]CR[kj]WL[120]C[dago [14k\]: oh dear ] ;B[lh]CR[lh]BL[903.844] ;W[nh]CR[nh]WL[120] ;B[oi]CR[oi]BL[893.1]C[dago [14k\]: n14 for at least one eye dago [14k\]: no dago [14k\]: no eyes ] ;W[mi]CR[mi]WL[60] ;B[lj]CR[lj]BL[890.226] ;W[mj]CR[mj]WL[60] ;B[lk]CR[lk]BL[887.113] ;W[ph]CR[ph]WL[60] ;B[oh]CR[oh]BL[881.152] ;W[og]CR[og]WL[60] ;B[ng]CR[ng]BL[876.328] ;W[mh]CR[mh]WL[60] ;B[nk]CR[nk]BL[830.045] ;W[mk]CR[mk]WL[60] ;B[ml]CR[ml]BL[825.477] ;W[mf]CR[mf]WL[60] ;B[le]CR[le]BL[799.821]C[dago [14k\]: m15 no worries right? ] ;W[pf]CR[pf]WL[60] ;B[pi]CR[pi]BL[793.131] ;W[qg]CR[qg]WL[60] ;B[qi]CR[qi]BL[769.426] ;W[rg]CR[rg]WL[60] ;B[pe]CR[pe]BL[761.652]C[dago [14k\]: no chance! ] ;W[rh]CR[rh]WL[60] ;B[ri]CR[ri]BL[746.23] ;W[nl]CR[nl]WL[60]C[dago [14k\]: w needs s8 soon dago [14k\]: R8 ] ;B[rl]CR[rl]BL[717.059]C[dago [14k\]: s8 i meant pku01 [2d\]: thx xyh1969 [4d\]: thanks xyh1969 [4d\]: really lucky xyh1969 [4d\]: if you have more time, you will win pku01 [2d\]: no, you are playing well dago [14k\]: thanks very educational guys pku01 [2d\]: i made a lot of mistakes xyh1969 [4d\]: when I H17, you just connnect yourself, then you will win xyh1969 [4d\]: hi, dago pku01 [2d\]: how dago [14k\]: hi :) pku01 [2d\]: j16? xyh1969 [4d\]: some moves like that sfrex [6k\]: can w cut q8? pku01 [2d\]: no xyh1969 [4d\]: my q9 was bad sfrex [6k\]: whats b move if q8 pku01 [2d\]: yeah, i should just connet dago [14k\]: s9? xyh1969 [4d\]: G12 very calm move, good xyh1969 [4d\]: yes, dago pku01 [2d\]: you have no next move after r8, right? sfrex [6k\]: sorry misread xyh1969 [4d\]: right pku01 [2d\]: i have p7 alreay ]) (;W[hd]CR[hd] ;B[ic]CR[ic] ;W[id]CR[id] ;B[gc]CR[gc] ;W[gd]CR[gd] ;B[jb]CR[jb] ;W[fc]CR[fc]C[pku01 [2d\]: ?? pku01 [2d\]: i think i am not leading that much xyh1969 [4d\]: this way close game pku01 [2d\]: to allow me to do this xyh1969 [4d\]: no, p10 urgent ] (;B[oj]CR[oj]C[pku01 [2d\]: then you can still push in the center xyh1969 [4d\]: y pku01 [2d\]: maybe you should do n2 ] ;W[pi]CR[pi] (;B[nh]CR[nh] ;W[ji]CR[ji] ;B[jj]CR[jj] ;W[nl]CR[nl]C[pku01 [2d\]: no much ]) (;B[jh]CR[jh] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[ni]CR[ni] (;W[nl]CR[nl]) (;W[oq]CR[oq] ;B[op]CR[op] ;W[nr]CR[nr]C[pku01 [2d\]: this is big too ]))) (;B[mr]CR[mr] ;W[oj]CR[oj])) (;W[id]CR[id]C[pku01 [2d\]: thx pku01 [2d\]: e 17 is hard to deal with xyh1969 [4d\]: you can give up pku01 [2d\]: the corner? xyh1969 [4d\]: y dago [14k\]: im going to bed :) its 5 in the morning here :) thanks a lot people ;) xyh1969 [4d\]: see u dago pku01 [2d\]: thx for watching:) xyh1969 [4d\]: hi, guangzhu pku01 [2d\]: see you! dago [14k\]: thanks for playing and reviewing! guangzhu: hello dago [14k\]: bye pku01 [2d\]: are you the guy played with xyh on tom? guangzhu xyh1969 [4d\]: if w j16, white will win guangzhu: yes pku01 [2d\]: oh, nice to meet you xyh1969 [4d\]: pku, do you need to go? don't want to keep you here too late :) guangzhu: seems GoWithMe will no appear tonight xyh1969 [4d\]: late white pushed by time pku01 [2d\]: yeah, i am waiting a phone call guangzhu: bye guys pku01 [2d\]: i will leave soon:) xyh1969 [4d\]: bye, guangzhu pku01 [2d\]: ok, thx for the nice game pku01 [2d\]: bye guangzhu xyh1969 [4d\]: thank you pku01 [2d\]: ok, see you later xyh1969 [4d\]: see u ] ;B[ec]CR[ec] (;W[ed]CR[ed] ;B[dd]CR[dd]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: losing move ] ;W[fc]CR[fc] ;B[eb]CR[eb] ;W[db]CR[db] ;B[fb]CR[fb] ;W[gd]CR[gd] ;B[gb]CR[gb]) (;W[fc]CR[fc] ;B[ed]CR[ed] ;W[eb]CR[eb] ;B[fb]CR[fb]))) (;B[qk]CR[qk]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: not enough if only get center ] ;W[pj]CR[pj] (;B[ol]CR[ol]) (;B[rj]CR[rj] ;W[ri]CR[ri] ;B[ol]CR[ol] (;W[pl]CR[pl] ;B[pk]CR[pk] ;W[ok]CR[ok] ;B[oj]CR[oj] ;W[nl]CR[nl] ;B[pi]CR[pi]) (;W[ok]CR[ok]C[pku01 [2d\]: normally you the following..., pku01 [2d\]: but i can play this since i have p7 pku01 [2d\]: right? ])))) (;B[pj]CR[pj]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: r8 so on also bad pku01 [2d\]: ? ] ;W[pk]CR[pk] (;B[pi]CR[pi]) (;B[oj]CR[oj]C[pku01 [2d\]: get some in the center? ]))) (;W[oj]CR[oj]C[pku01 [2d\]: ? ]) (;W[ke]CR[ke]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: y pku01 [2d\]: i thought you will follow my m2 xyh1969 [4d\]: normally should xyh1969 [4d\]: but at thattime b behind xyh1969 [4d\]: so wouldn't ])) (;W[ne]CR[ne]C[pku01 [2d\]: wow xyh1969 [4d\]: can you do this? ] ;B[sb]CR[sb]C[pku01 [2d\]: what do you think? xyh1969 [4d\]: maybe too strong, at that time you leading, so needn't do it pku01 [2d\]: maybe o15 is not good:) ] ;W[ra]CR[ra] ;B[mb]CR[mb] ;W[nb]CR[nb]C[pku01 [2d\]: lets see ] (;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[na]CR[na] (;B[lf]CR[lf]) (;B[nf]CR[nf]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: you try? ] ;W[me]CR[me] ;B[lf]CR[lf] ;W[of]CR[of] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[mf]CR[mf] ;B[mg]CR[mg] ;W[ng]CR[ng] ;B[le]CR[le] ;W[nf]CR[nf] ;B[nh]CR[nh])) (;B[na]CR[na] ;W[mc]CR[mc]) (;B[le]CR[le] (;W[na]CR[na] ;B[nf]CR[nf]) (;W[of]CR[of] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[ng]CR[ng] ;B[na]CR[na])))) (;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[qj]CR[qj])) (;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[qk]CR[qk] (;B[ei]CR[ei] ;W[gi]CR[gi]) (;B[gj]CR[gj] ;W[fj]CR[fj]))) (;W[gk]CR[gk]C[pku01 [2d\]: maybe simply like this pku01 [2d\]: then i can play other move when you settle down this part ] ;B[ip]CR[ip] ;W[hr]CR[hr] ;B[im]CR[im] ;W[jo]CR[jo] ;B[ik]CR[ik] ;W[hi]CR[hi] ;B[kl]CR[kl] ;W[qf]CR[qf]C[pku01 [2d\]: ?? xyh1969 [4d\]: maybe ])) (;B[pj]CR[pj])) (;W[gq]CR[gq]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: maybe ])) (;B[cl]CR[cl] (;W[ho]CR[ho]) (;W[gm]CR[gm] ;B[ho]CR[ho] ;W[in]CR[in] ;B[fr]CR[fr] ;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[kr]CR[kr] ;B[hr]CR[hr]C[pku01 [2d\]: how about this? ] ;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[bn]CR[bn] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[bo]CR[bo]C[xyh1969 [4d\]: maybe better for black ] ;W[oq]CR[oq])))
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