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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[gb2312]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[5x60 byo-yomi] PW[billch]PB[Haddock]WR[8d]BR[5d]DT[2007-04-07]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[billch [8d?\]: hi Haddock [5d\]: have a nice game, :) billch [8d?\]: sorry for the delay ]RE[B+1.50] ;B[pd]BL[3574.106]C[missbear [4d\]: 宏远加油!!!!!! billch [8d?\]: office is good billch [8d?\]: internet always on Haddock [5d\]: it is ok. we are talking you, haha ] ;W[dc]WL[3577.192] ;B[qp]BL[3570.949] ;W[dq]WL[3571.837] ;B[oq]BL[3566.878] ;W[qj]WL[3527.445] ;B[ce]BL[3419.946] ;W[fd]WL[3455.57] ;B[do]BL[3402.667]C[macelee [?\]: a friendly game? kingofking [2k\]: 100000$ bet ] ;W[co]WL[3383.278]C[missbear [4d\]: 猪杯3,4名决赛 macelee [?\]: ok ] ;B[cn]BL[3352.333] ;W[cp]WL[3379.434] ;B[ql]BL[3349.715] ;W[qg]WL[3376.239] ;B[dm]BL[3314.022] ;W[fq]WL[3369.606]C[macelee [?\]: next move is hard ya ] ;B[ci]BL[3279.564] ;W[nc]WL[3301.477] ;B[oe]BL[3243.981] ;W[qc]WL[3261.05] ;B[md]BL[3212.727] ;W[pc]WL[3239.885] ;B[mc]BL[3191.953]C[macelee [?\]: this is very difficult opening for both sides ] ;W[re]WL[3223.945] ;B[hc]BL[3188.525] ;W[cd]WL[3144.516] ;B[de]BL[3184.904] ;W[fc]WL[3142.215] ;B[ip]BL[3174.785] ;W[ei]WL[3026.236] ;B[ff]BL[3159.706] ;W[cl]WL[3007.919] ;B[bm]BL[3143.81] ;W[cj]WL[2980.511] ;B[bj]BL[3118.868] ;W[dj]WL[2916.458] ;B[bk]BL[3091.436] ;W[dl]WL[2898.848] ;B[em]BL[3061.054] ;W[eg]WL[2854.163] ;B[cg]BL[2987.094] ;W[ef]WL[2834.992] ;B[ee]BL[2983.48] ;W[fe]WL[2834.19] ;B[gf]BL[2981.302] ;W[gh]WL[2828.39] ;B[if]BL[2965.155]C[wqedge [1k\]: who is leading? ] ;W[hd]WL[2748.327] ;B[ic]BL[2943.869]C[macelee [?\]: still very early to say that ] ;W[he]WL[2744.146] ;B[hf]BL[2936.054] ;W[jd]WL[2735.643] ;B[jc]BL[2931.136] ;W[ih]WL[2705.608]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: i wouldnt mind eing w, with 3 solid corners DoDonPachi [1d\]: but b not too bad either ] ;B[jg]BL[2869.701] ;W[je]WL[2695.624] ;B[jh]BL[2862.25]C[Stormer [1k\]: w has a lot of solid territory, b lower right still full of holes, id say w ] ;W[ji]WL[2659.667] ;B[ki]BL[2790.745] ;W[jj]WL[2654.394] ;B[kj]BL[2759.544] ;W[jk]WL[2645.994]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: w must be happy being pussed DoDonPachi [1d\]: pushed ] ;B[kk]BL[2739.188]C[Stormer [1k\]: question is can b play p5 without dying ] ;W[jl]WL[2622.385]C[macelee [?\]: The position of J4 looks funny macelee [?\]: would be great if it is at K4 kimball [6d\]: yes, p5 is not too good, think m4 is better mstarsup5 [2d\]: M4 needed macelee [?\]: I would continue to push macelee [?\]: bottom side is open any way DoDonPachi [1d\]: but what is b gaining from pushing? macelee [?\]: there is Q12 later macelee [?\]: bottom side seems small ] ;B[lm]BL[2599.278]C[kimball [6d\]: m 7 looks good macelee [?\]: yes indeed macelee [?\]: locally white can only K5 Stormer [1k\]: k6 seems good for both plaeyrs macelee [?\]: no Stormer [1k\]: but after k6 a lot harder for w to invade macelee [?\]: K6 then M5 macelee [?\]: too comfortable mstarsup5 [2d\]: k6 l5, much too good for B i think macelee [?\]: of course macelee [?\]: white needs some other idea ] ;W[nq]WL[2300.119]C[kimball [6d\]: yes, white might consider to invade now macelee [?\]: hmm. mao directly is better mstarsup5 [2d\]: he has to anyway ] ;B[lq]BL[2547.138]C[mstarsup5 [2d\]: hmmmm wqedge [1k\]: i feel, B(O4) is good enough. M3 is not necessary kimball [6d\]: i like it, nice aggressive move mstarsup5 [2d\]: i'd never play such a move, but it looks nice macelee [?\]: b needs about 35 points to balance the game macelee [?\]: I am not sure if O4 is enough kimball [6d\]: ok, chance to kill o 3 is less than 50% kimball [6d\]: q 3 i'd try now macelee [?\]: if black can confine white is a small corner then still quite playable mainichi [6d?\]: where is billch? HikaruShin [6k\]: escaping runtt21 [-\]: disconnect kimball [6d\]: true, but w cannot expect too much here Stormer [1k\]: escaping a free game? :D mstarsup5 [2d\]: disconnected i guess kimball [6d\]: new crime mstarsup5 [2d\]: hehe earning some time to think about his next move : p Stormer [1k\]: hah, 35 minutes not enough i tuges Stormer [1k\]: guess, wow bad typing in the morning billch [8d?\]: sorry, even my office is not stable today missbear [4d\]: which one is tasita's m+? Haddock [5d\]: no problem. ] ;W[pq]WL[2082.471] ;B[op]BL[2530.126] ;W[pp]WL[1963.725] ;B[po]BL[2508.994] ;W[qq]WL[1944.021] ;B[or]BL[2466.982] ;W[qo]WL[1913.417] ;B[rp]BL[2439.01]C[macelee [?\]: P4 is a very strong move macelee [?\]: never seen that before ] ;W[qn]WL[1760.767] ;B[rq]BL[2410.779] ;W[oo]WL[1741.06]C[Stormer [1k\]: p5 clever, i was thinking just q6, bleh ] ;B[pn]BL[2380.686] ;W[pm]WL[1737.567] ;B[on]BL[2378.586] ;W[om]WL[1722.657] ;B[nn]BL[2374.141] ;W[qm]WL[1721.151] ;B[fk]BL[2327.648]C[kimball [6d\]: perhaps just r 3 was better instead of q4 ] ;W[gj]WL[1644.136] ;B[gk]BL[2269.107] ;W[fj]WL[1628.459]C[macelee [?\]: the result seems not bad for black macelee [?\]: he still has S8 for later ] ;B[pi]BL[2197.275]C[kimball [6d\]: yes, w was outplayed here ] ;W[pj]WL[1610.006] ;B[pg]BL[2085.675] ;W[qh]WL[1581.137]C[macelee [?\]: this resule, white is very unlikely to explore the weakness at O16 and L12 ] ;B[sm]BL[2038.67] ;W[so]WL[1564.01]C[kimball [6d\]: hmm kimball [6d\]: big mistake ] ;B[ro]BL[1885.494] ;W[rn]WL[1559.943] ;B[ok]BL[1865.217] ;W[oj]WL[1508.179]C[macelee [?\]: s8 then q9? Stormer [1k\]: have to give up on the monkeyjump and play h3 maybe? ] ;B[rl]BL[1776.215] ;W[nk]WL[1460.876]C[macelee [?\]: hoho, hongyuan saw my comments using a m+ ] ;B[sn]BL[1750.079] ;W[nm]WL[1423.424] ;B[mm]BL[1739.403] ;W[rk]WL[1321.267]C[macelee [?\]: now G2 is the largest yose, maybe G18 first ] ;B[gq]BL[1632.719]C[kimball [6d\]: want sente there macelee [?\]: yes mstarsup5 [2d\]: g3 nice macelee [?\]: smart move ] ;W[gr]WL[1279.597]C[macelee [?\]: H2 ] ;B[hr]BL[1624.242] ;W[fr]WL[1251.997]C[macelee [?\]: O18 is also quite large mstarsup5 [2d\]: yes ] ;B[ob]BL[1600.774]C[macelee [?\]: very good, did not see P18 mstarsup5 [2d\]: oh lol much better : p ] ;W[oc]WL[1226.413] ;B[nb]BL[1592.518] ;W[hq]WL[1224.2] ;B[ir]BL[1586.026] ;W[gp]WL[1191.338]C[macelee [?\]: G18 & B5 in sente then B15 ] ;B[lf]BL[1483.419] ;W[iq]WL[1182.388] ;B[jq]BL[1479.864] ;W[jp]WL[1175.481] ;B[kq]BL[1462.64]C[mstarsup5 [2d\]: doesn't look good :/ ] ;W[io]WL[1151.808]C[macelee [?\]: now there is E8 macelee [?\]: so maybe M14 shouuld K5 ] ;B[gb]BL[1315.907]C[missbear [4d\]: i like black better macelee [?\]: hoho Portsmouth 1-0 Man Utd ] ;W[bd]WL[1116.846]C[macelee [?\]: now b should B5 immediately to secure an eye macelee [?\]: the whole group likes thin macelee [?\]: looks thin macelee [?\]: ft my typing ] ;B[eb]BL[1251.586] ;W[fb]WL[1109.179] ;B[fa]BL[1234.765] ;W[db]WL[1098.776] ;B[da]BL[1183.483] ;W[bf]WL[1095.555]C[macelee [?\]: D19 qiren taishen ] ;B[be]BL[1134.172]C[bigfatcat [-\]: is arsenal playing right now? macelee [?\]: arsenal lost already ] ;W[ae]WL[1078.9] ;B[bg]BL[1124.379]C[macelee [?\]: west ham got 3 points from arsenal's new home ] ;W[cb]WL[1031.755] ;B[ca]BL[1087.087] ;W[ba]WL[1028.488] ;B[ea]BL[1083.393] ;W[ec]WL[1026.621] ;B[ga]BL[1081.242] ;W[gc]WL[1024.709] ;B[ib]BL[1050.383] ;W[bb]WL[1021.454]C[peppercrab [5d?\]: arsenal lost? macelee [?\]: b5 b5 b5 macelee [?\]: yup ] ;B[bo]BL[945.715] ;W[bp]WL[1016.431] ;B[ap]BL[943.256] ;W[bl]WL[1006.921] ;B[al]BL[937.101] ;W[aq]WL[1005.155] ;B[ao]BL[930.858] ;W[bq]WL[1003.836]C[mstarsup5 [2d\]: f5? ] ;B[qe]BL[881.09] ;W[qd]WL[992.55] ;B[nj]BL[862.38] ;W[sk]WL[980.411] ;B[nl]BL[745.655]C[macelee [?\]: hmm ] ;W[sl]WL[964.812]C[macelee [?\]: center maybe larger than the small tail ] ;B[sp]BL[726.807] ;W[rm]WL[960.57] ;B[mk]BL[652.326] ;W[so]WL[949.937] ;B[sn]BL[637.599] ;W[oh]WL[911.021] ;B[dh]BL[584.996] ;W[el]WL[885.606] ;B[gm]BL[554.453] ;W[fm]WL[878.178] ;B[fn]BL[539.658] ;W[fl]WL[876.925] ;B[hn]BL[516.127] ;W[cm]WL[859.901]C[bigfatcat [-\]: oh macelee [?\]: poor, a string of false eyes macelee [?\]: B12 ] ;B[fo]BL[411.044] ;W[ep]WL[845.565] ;B[dn]BL[371.753] ;W[eo]WL[842.215] ;B[en]BL[369.972]C[macelee [?\]: looks dangous ] ;W[go]WL[838.86] ;B[gn]BL[355.168] ;W[ak]WL[822.993] ;B[aj]BL[340.767] ;W[gl]WL[821.254] ;B[im]BL[305.989]C[tut [2d\]: why not kill the string? macelee [?\]: it is not easy to kill macelee [?\]: black has E12 and F12 macelee [?\]: so white is not alive either tut [2d\]: 白先破眼位 macelee [?\]: how? B12? tut [2d\]: 逼黑外逃 tut [2d\]: yeah,b12 macelee [?\]: any way, black played poor here macelee [?\]: I'd rather use 5 points to buy a solid group tut [2d\]: 我觉得对杀黑气不够 macelee [?\]: G18 should be B15 earlier ] ;W[ko]WL[648.649]C[macelee [?\]: all the messes are after black D12 macelee [?\]: even one extra move does not fix the problem well ] ;B[eh]BL[221.55] ;W[fh]WL[642.637]C[tut [2d\]: 如果这盘还是黑小胜的话,bill要悔了 ] ;B[hl]BL[168.251] ;W[hk]WL[639.172] ;B[ik]BL[165.459] ;W[hj]WL[638.251] ;B[il]BL[159.677] ;W[mo]WL[587.289]C[tut [2d\]: who leading? apolarbear [2d\]: 黑在干什么? 收官吗? apolarbear [2d\]: 太小了吧? macelee [?\]: J8 is small Seleroan [9k\]: SE says black's group is dead tut [2d\]: 右上太大 macelee [?\]: even F13 is larger ] ;B[no]BL[70.739]C[apolarbear [2d\]: 右上大 macelee [?\]: F13 7 points ] ;W[lp]WL[557.175]C[macelee [?\]: plus some benefit around L13 macelee [?\]: S19 at least 7 points ] ;B[kp]BL[5.194] ;W[jo]WL[554.358]C[bigfatcat [-\]: looks funny ] ;B[mp]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[lo]WL[552.455]C[JungFrau [2k\]: O12 ] ;B[jm]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[mq]WL[549.355]C[apolarbear [2d\]: yes O12 tut [2d\]: R14, Q12, S19 Seleroan [9k\]: n2 ] ;B[np]BL[60]OB[5]C[bigfatcat [-\]: still kind of close, black slightly ahead (3+-5)? macelee [?\]: even Q7 has 6 points macelee [?\]: K7 too small bigfatcat [-\]: though with endgame here ] ;W[lr]WL[494.447]C[tut [2d\]: Q18, bill bigfatcat [-\]: i think w ahead after this ] ;B[kr]BL[60]OB[5]C[macelee [?\]: K7 is a dame move ] ;W[js]WL[484.862]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: this is no big deal bigfatcat [-\]: oh it is nice sente ] ;B[jr]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[hs]WL[481.442] ;B[mr]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[is]WL[478.363] ;B[ls]BL[60]OB[5]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: why not m1? bigfatcat [-\]: sente DoDonPachi [1d\]: w still has sente bigfatcat [-\]: otherwise atari? macelee [?\]: I think b still leading DoDonPachi [1d\]: i meant atari at m1 jasch [1k\]: yeah i agree ] ;W[ng]WL[429.779]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: whats going on jasch [1k\]: black leading with more then 10 points I think bigfatcat [-\]: i am curious to see... macelee [?\]: he needs one more mistake like K7 to lose the game ] ;B[ge]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[gd]WL[425.259]C[kimball [6d\]: 7,5 komi bigfatcat [-\]: yes hohoho bigfatcat [-\]: p16 also nice move jasch [1k\]: wjite rarely potential for more territory left ] ;B[pb]BL[60]OB[5]C[jasch [1k\]: black still has options bigfatcat [-\]: well its about taking blacks i think ] ;W[ne]WL[411.853]C[jasch [1k\]: haha DoDonPachi [1d\]: 7.5 and 6.5 make no difference under chinese rules except under very rare circumstances jasch [1k\]: now its very close ] ;B[nd]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[od]WL[409.568] ;B[nf]BL[60]OB[5]C[kimball [6d\]: i'd put my money on w now ] ;W[of]WL[397.319]C[bigfatcat [-\]: me too ] ;B[me]BL[60]OB[5]C[jasch [1k\]: me too after this it looks much better for him sinshou [1k?\]: who not? ] ;W[pf]WL[391.955]C[macelee [?\]: why not Q15 ] ;B[qb]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[rb]WL[380.4] ;B[ra]BL[60]OB[5]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: ko? ] ;W[rc]WL[377.146]C[jasch [1k\]: ko possible and also gote ] ;B[ni]BL[60]OB[5]C[macelee [?\]: that is not a ko macelee [?\]: jie bu gui jasch [1k\]: not now macelee [?\]: sorry macelee [?\]: it is a ko ] ;W[oi]WL[332.676]C[jasch [1k\]: bu tongyi jasch [1k\]: :) jasch [1k\]: dui DoDonPachi [1d\]: n13 ] ;B[mg]BL[60]OB[5] ;W[nh]WL[328.672]C[tut [2d\]: 我觉得收官bill亏了 gorilla08 [11k\]: ? JungFrau [2k\]: F13 bigfatcat [-\]: rectangular front ] ;B[mh]BL[60]OB[5]C[skeptical [2d\]: q9 jasch [1k\]: q8 macelee [?\]: b is 9 points more on borad skeptical [2d\]: oops DoDonPachi [1d\]: really? skeptical [2d\]: q9 nonsense jasch [1k\]: ;)~ DoDonPachi [1d\]: i get w around 50 plus komi DoDonPachi [1d\]: b 52 or so macelee [?\]: b 58 at least DoDonPachi [1d\]: ah DoDonPachi [1d\]: forgot his captures jasch [1k\]: L14 ] ;W[fg]WL[197.918]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: 52 plus 7 macelee [?\]: right macelee [?\]: b should Q8 now macelee [?\]: and w Q15 jasch [1k\]: l16 looks better to me macelee [?\]: I count L16 for w already macelee [?\]: b could L16 now macelee [?\]: then Q8 and Q15 get at least one ] ;B[cf]BL[60]OB[4]C[jasch [1k\]: thats what i mean jasch [1k\]: butr this is sente ofcorse :) macelee [?\]: this is small macelee [?\]: now I will bet for w ] ;W[pe]WL[171.657]C[bigfatcat [-\]: have to go shopping ] ;B[pk]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: hoho macelee [?\]: wrong again jasch [1k\]: all predictions wrong ] ;W[kd]WL[144.293]C[macelee [?\]: should Q8 ya skeptical [2d\]: w slight lead, i think jasch [1k\]: a14 jasch [1k\]: ah no nonsense jasch [1k\]: nvm ] ;B[kc]BL[60]OB[4]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: w 52 +4+ komi macelee [?\]: w should now L8 jasch [1k\]: too small and white connect would be gote anyway ] ;W[af]WL[124.498] ;B[ag]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[ad]WL[121.618]C[macelee [?\]: L8 huge jasch [1k\]: yeah ] ;B[ig]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[hh]WL[114.693]C[fabster [2k\]: i count w +2 macelee [?\]: b L8, very close ] ;B[ij]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[ii]WL[110.933]C[jasch [1k\]: I count black ahead by 3 ] ;B[ho]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: L8 is about 1.5 reverse ] ;W[hp]WL[107.018]C[JungFrau [2k\]: E8 macelee [?\]: white shouldn't have missed it skeptical [2d\]: b 66, w 58, rough count ] ;B[kl]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[kf]WL[103.266]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: b 63, w 61.5 ] ;B[kg]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[qa]WL[101.827] ;B[pa]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: R19 nice ] ;W[qk]WL[98.702] ;B[pl]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: this game will end with a ko fight skeptical [2d\]: and bill will fight it this time DoDonPachi [1d\]: im with mi b +1.5 prediction ] ;W[ck]WL[48.885]C[jasch [1k\]: m16 now whatever [4d\]: F4 ] ;B[fp]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: b 7-8 points on board ] ;W[dp]WL[28.789]C[macelee [?\]: oh macelee [?\]: b has 0.5 at L7 macelee [?\]: really close game skeptical [2d\]: yeah sinshou [1k?\]: fucking shit ] ;B[ne]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: so W a14 may be the losing move, missed L8 macelee [?\]: the resutl will depend on the ko at T5 ] ;W[ld]WL[60]OW[5] ;B[lc]BL[60]OB[4]C[apolarbear [2d\]: black is a little bit better sinshou [1k?\]: yes, shit.. skeptical [2d\]: L6 ] ;W[kn]WL[60]OW[5]C[macelee [?\]: ft macelee [?\]: this is 1 point in gote skeptical [2d\]: 1.5 DoDonPachi [1d\]: its one plus threat macelee [?\]: I' rather T7 first ] ;B[sb]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[sc]WL[60]OW[5]C[macelee [?\]: did you guys see that C12 is not a point? ] ;B[ol]BL[60]OB[4]C[skeptical [2d\]: yes ] ;W[sm]WL[60]OW[5] ;B[rr]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[sa]WL[60]OW[5] ;B[qa]BL[60]OB[4]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: d13 and d11 miai whatever [4d\]: B lead ba macelee [?\]: b 8 points better macelee [?\]: km 7.5? whatever [4d\]: y Yxven [8k\]: d13, d11, b11? jasch [1k\]: b +2,5 macelee [?\]: no way DoDonPachi [1d\]: b+1.5 skeptical [2d\]: i got b 66 w 58 ] ;W[sb]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[so]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: 0.5 ] ;W[di]WL[60]OW[4]C[whatever [4d\]: b + 1.5 Yxven [8k\]: does that sequence do anything? ] ;B[ch]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[km]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[in]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[jf]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[le]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[ip]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[ks]BL[60]OB[4]C[whatever [4d\]: b 1 more point for shou hou ] ;W[gs]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[mn]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[gq]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[ln]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[id]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[ie]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[ed]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[dg]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[jn]WL[60]OW[4]C[macelee [?\]: chinese rule? whatever [4d\]: y macelee [?\]: ok ] ;B[df]BL[60]OB[4]C[macelee [?\]: I see ] ;W[hg]WL[60]OW[4]C[DoDonPachi [1d\]: b has 64, w 62.5 macelee [?\]: 3/4 stone ] ;B[ke]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[gg]WL[60]OW[4] ;B[dd]BL[60]OB[4] ;W[]WL[60]OW[4]C[macelee [?\]: it is actually 0.5 point whatever [4d\]: y ] ;B[]BL[60]OB[4]TW[aa][ab][ac][bc][cc][pd][rd][sd][qe][se][qf][rf][sf][og][pg][rg][sg][ph][rh][sh][fi][gi][hi][pi][qi][ri][si][ej][rj][sj][dk][ek][fk][gk][cq][eq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs]TB[ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][hb][jb][kb][lb][mb][mf][lg][ah][bh][kh][lh][ai][bi][li][mi][lj][mj][ak][lk][nk][ll][ml][am][hm][an][bn][oo][pp][mq][nq][pq][qq][sq][lr][nr][pr][qr][sr][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[macelee [?\]: I would say b deserves this DoDonPachi [1d\]: one and a half macelee [?\]: bit lead in the middle billch [8d?\]: thanks for the game Haddock [5d\]: another 0.5 point game, thanks bill billch [8d?\]: should have played ko at O15 ])
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